DERREL SIMS Transcript on the #UFO IRC Chat channel

Session Start: Sun Nov 03 01:28:23 1996 Logging #ufo to: [#ufo.log]
< magus> raine ... would you like to explain moderation
< magus> this may take a sec ....
< magus> Y'all !!! ...
< magus> We are quite fortunate to have with us tonight DERREL SIMS ...
< magus> Derrel, as the handout states, is a "true pioneer" in the invest igation of
< magus> abduction phenomenon with over 27 years experience.
< magus> He is taking an approach far different form what has been done in the past ...
< magus> and is instead concentrating on HARD, PHYSICAL, Evidence .....
and GETTING IT !!!
< magus> Thru these efforts he IS GETTING the attention of the non-UFO,
scientific and
< magus> medical communities and bringing back CREDIBLE findings !
< magus> And BEST of all ... he is "down to earth" like most of US :-)
< magus> Please welcome ... Derrel Sims
< DERREL> Im ready??
< magus> have patinecne ... yall ... we have a new IRC newbie to break in ..
< magus> go for D
< magus> welcome to UFO
< DERREL> Am I in the designate spot??
< Raine_Cro> talk away Derrel :)
< magus> you are AT the podiub ... you alread got intoed
< magus> introed
< DERREL> Our research is involved in obtaining physical evidence, and at
this time that is alledged implant research??
< DERREL> We are not limited to this set of proceedures only. Physical
evidence concerning any manifestation is worth our effort in the ufo field.
< DERREL> We have also found some alledged alien handprints on some
glass.
< DERREL> Pat Parinello thinks that this may be some of our best evidence??
< DERREL> We dont have any idea what a "real" alienimplant would be. All
we know is that we are finding anomolous objects that have a history consistent with the abductees story.??
< DERREL> We have a series of tests and top level research organizations that
are availible that we send evidence to
< DERREL> About 50,ooo has already been spent on such work??
< DERREL> Our scientific base is growing larger everyday...from the Univer.
of Piza to other univer. and scient. groups??
< Malachite> I've heard "scoop marks" doesn't really describe what the marks
on supposed abductees look like. I have two identical, very artifical-looking
marks on each elbow that are small circular indentations, in identical spots (on
the muscle that wraps around the elbow). I have another under a bicep, more
stretched and vague. I have been unable to find a explanation. I do not recall
any UFO experiences, though I had a terrible childhood phobia of (missing text in all versions: malachite exceeded maximum number of lines per sentence. - E_L_R_I_C)
< DERREL> Scoop marks are sometimes used as id markers by some
abbductees to suggest something may have happened
< DERREL> the marks are oft. oval and/or round...the appear overnight
without reason??
< Malachite> No, I cannot remember not having them. Though I have woken
up with small scratches on my face occasionally, but I attributed them to stiff
fibers in my pillow.
< Malachite> The marks are round with a very small hint of oval
< DERREL> That is very possibly correct.??
< Malachite> One is very distinct, with an inner ring of raised flesh
< Malachite> But very slight
< AlanQ> Have you followed the recent discussions on remote viewing...do
you think it is credible and could be credible tool in UFO science...one person
suggested that he has used it to find out what aliens' intentions are and what
abductees are being used for.
< DERREL> One of the best suggestions if there is a question of the possibility
of something in it is to get an xray of the area.??
< DERREL> I "think" on all kinds of ways to approach the problem I do not
"believe" anything until it is proven...
< AlanQ> But would you pursue any "leads" so called remote viewers offered?
< DERREL> I am very intrested to see the proof of the alegations and the
results of same... Ive got the abductees so we need to see if this will work...??
< DERREL> Only if they will follow our directions and submitt to some
scientific protocols??
< AlanQ> Thanks.
< Kondor> Darrel: First can i say thanks for giving us this time, it is
appreceated, anyway heres my question. You have already commented on the
amount of money some of this research can use up. Has any of your research
ever been funded by Robert Bigelow? and if not, where does the cash come
from?
< DERREL> the National Institute for discovery science and other groups and
individual contribuite
< Kondor> thanks
< DERREL> and many donate time and equipment so we dont have to spend
other peoples money....
< Kondor> so its very self funded?
< DERREL> Mr. Bigelow the founder of Nids.??
< DERREL> Yes??
< Lloydy> How many implants have you recovered to dateDerrel, and what
has become of them?
< DERREL> 2o so far and 10 from surgeries...
< Lloydy> BTW, please pass my support on to Pat :)
< DERREL> some of them are being studied by university and other teck staff.
and
< DERREL> I have the rest under lock and key with Dr. Leir...??
< Lloydy> Thank you :)
< Stangya> Can you please tell me, Mr Sims, what is the most probable
function of these implants and what specific type of analysis are you
performing on them and the abductees?(And when will the labs publish their
findings/in which scientific journals/publications? References, please) Thank you for your courtesy.
< DERREL> Possible functions...to moderate levels of neurotransmitters in the
abductee...
< DERREL> a
< DERREL> ie dopamine and serotonin
< Tianca> Where do the results of the tests go??? We never hear about what
they are finding out! Can you enlighten us?
< DERREL> the labs are in on our web pages now...???
< DERREL> Our web page is http://www.anw.com/first???
< DERREL> the alleg
< DERREL> the alleged implants of the 1st two surgeries are suggestive of
Meteorites??
< DERREL> The labs of the pathololy reports are on http://www.anw.com/saber??
< DERREL> New Mexico Tech reports suggest Meteoric origins on the
implants we sent them...they did not know what we had sent them and all tests
were done in double blind tests.???
< B4> Who are the 'top level' ufo organizations you have sent your evidence to
and will they be sharing this information? Thank you.
< DERREL> We dont send any evidence to Ufo organizations (at first) it would
be inappropriate to do so.../
< Tianca> Why?
< DERREL> Universities and Scientific groups get the 1st shot at it first???
< Tianca> Oh...thank you.
< DERREL> Ufo orgaizations are appriased of our findings as we go Read the
Mufon journal please??
< Leader> Are nose bleeds a constant link between all abductees (at least
those suspected of having implants )? And in those where there are nose
bleeds, are there outside factors that trigger them (ie stress)?
< DERREL> Good q. When a nose bleed is evident with a reported abduction
we ask the person
< DERREL> to go to get an xray asap...stress is a probable answer...perhaps
due to the experience they report? ??
< Dav_Mc> Derrel. Thanks for your presence tonight. Have you received any
lab results pertaining to the supposed implants instruments: 1.Chemical
composition. 2.Metal tensile strenghts. 3.Data transmission capabilities. Thanks
for your assistance.
< DERREL> Our primary concern is with physical evidence to substantiate
these stories...
< DERREL> we have plenty of great stories...we need to see the evidence of
the reported
< DERREL> surgeries etc...Wheres the beef so to speak...??
< MoonShado> derrel: can you tell me more about "alledged alien handprints
on some glass" ? who discovered the glass ? how were the prints found and
what did they look like ? how many fingers?Where the glass was found ? Thank
you for your time.
< DERREL> Please see the web ;pages concerning this ....Yes the Hardness of
one of the
< DERREL> implants was as hard as finest steel and the bottom part of the "T"
of the object
< DERREL> was a soft carbon...the objects were clad in 11 diff. elements and
the
< DERREL> interior was Meteoric in origin...??
< DERREL> We have a video on; the glass..This is not sales only that it is
availible for viewing
< DERREL> check the web pages we have??
< DERREL> We intend to interface the glass with an interferometer to see if
we can pull out a 3d image of what supossedly went through it??
< Lyn> Hello Derrel, I was wondering how a person could tell if they have an
implant; like if they hear strange "outer space" or "radio like" signals when they turn their body in various directions, and/or hear "explosions" in their head for no apparent reason, accompanied by nosebleeds,and "dream" like flashbacks involving being on a UFO, seeing UFO's, seeing beings aboard or emerging from UFO's, flashbacks to being on a table on a Ufo and a "needle
< DERREL> We ask people who claim abductions to get xrays of areas of
concern and
< DERREL> many people do hear various noises in thier ear(s) and
< DERREL> there are, at times a mate that witnesses the event but cannot
move...??
< clayface> Hello Darrel, how were the implants not 'from surgeries'
recovered?
< DERREL> our interviews on video addresses some of these Q..??
< DERREL> These are expelled from the body via Sneezing and some actually
are
< Tianca> Do you ever get people who claim they have been given more than
one implant over the years?
< Q-FUNK> playing the devil's advocate here: what exacly involved your CIA
background and Military too. Can you please detail those for us? You see, i'm
a bit suspicous of anyone ever involved in the CIA or any governement
agency... and too many ufo researchers have been found involved into foul
play... or deceitfulness... sometimes suggestion the implants and ships may be of earthly origins, made by CIA?
< DERREL> reported to have fallen out of the areas Ie Eye Ear Etc??
< Q-FUNK> playing the devil's advocate here: what exacly involved your CIA
background and Military too. Can you please detail those for us? You see, i'm
a bit suspicous of anyone ever involved in the CIA or any governement
agency... and too many ufo researchers have been found involved into foul
play... or deceitfulness... sometimes suggestion the implants and ships may be of earthly origins, made by CIA?
< DERREL> Yes people do report other "implants"being installed...??
< DERREL> My military and stint with the company was voluntarily given out
by me and
< DERREL> I think that it be given that any researcher do so...If the Military is
implanting
< DERREL> anyone and we find that to be true we will report this all over the
internet 1st
< DERREL> we did perform one surgery on one man who does claim that the
object in question is
< DERREL> part of an intelligence conspiracy??
< Lloydy> Derrel, thanks for answering these questions - we really appreciate it :) Tell us, how startling are the findings of the scientists that have examined these recovered implants? No pulled punches please! BTW, keep up the good
work...
< DERREL> Some are somewhat stunned by the origins of the objects found in
some of these people...
< Lloydy> In what way?
< DERREL> I mean how do you get meteorites in your body and with no signs
of chronic or
< DERREL> acute inflamatory response...etc..??
< Kondor> Derrel: The discovery of an implant must be quite a shock to some
people. Do you find a difference in the personaltiy of Abductees after they have
had implants removed? ie, do they appear more threatend or are they more
relived to find some pysical evicence?
< DERREL> The two abbductes report stunning information consciously
< DERREL> in the 2 cases of the 1st 2 surgeries the feelings were totally
different...
< DERREL> perhaps one was ascribed to being a contactee and the other an
abductee...
< Kondor> derrel: you got to 1 being a contactee and the other an abductee
< Raine_Cro> derrel: you got to 1 being a contactee and the other an abductee
< DERREL> If any one has any physical evidence of any kind and wants us to
examine it.. (The last few sentences are messed up i know, there was a major
flood and a netsplit... - E_L_R_I_C)
< clayface> Derrel : The tissues that the implants were enclosed in were
reported to have had numerous nerves and pressure receptors. Has anymore
research been done on the membrane?
< DERREL> we are only to happy; to do so...??
< Dav_Mc> Derrel. Thanks again for your presence tonight. As everyone
should be aware of, the human body has a strong capability to not accept a
foreign matter within the human structure. Derrel, has the question been thrown on the table yet as to how the human body can accept a implant without
immediate infection and rejection.
< DERREL> this evidence could range from soil samples to aledged implants
or anything involving the ufo question.
< DERREL> the membranes are upcoming in another of many tests??
< Malachite> How can I get in touch with you personally. I would like to
discuss these "scoop marks" at some time
< DERREL> this is an immediate concern of ours...a pathologist stated that if
we could duplicted the
< Malachite> Thanks.. we appreciate this interview.
< DERREL> non inflamatory process of a foreign body like this organ donor
rejection would
< DERREL> be non existent...??
< rutkows> Thx. Have any astronomers or geophysicists looked at these
meteorites?
< DERREL> Please check me on email and or Po box 60944
houston..tex..77205 ??
< Tianca> Derrel; can we hear about your own abduction experiences?
< pkw> Any comments on the 8 implant photos (magnified by electron
microscope) displayed at Art Bells page. I understand a Harvard scientist was
involved in some way.
< pkw> rutkows
< rutkows> ?
< pkw> Any comments on the 8 implant photos (magnified by electron
microscope) displayed at Art Bells page. I understand a Harvard scientist was
involved in some way.
< DERREL> ??
< Tianca> Derrel; Someone said you had your own abduction experiences.
Please tell us about them?
< DERREL> isotopic tests are being performed on; the objects as our next test
< DERREL> No comment on the art bell Dr. Mack material
< pkw> thx
< DERREL> My abduction exp. started at 3 and 1/2 and ended violently at
17...??
< DERREL> we are also performing a age test of carbon 14 or the like as the
scientist choose??
< Lyn> someone had some physical evidence appear mysteriously on their
windshield...how to tell if it was contact or not?
< DERREL> Thats a tough one...I dont know??
< clayface> Derrel : In a recent UFO magazine interview you talked about a
pregnant abductee, but the woman was infertile. Can you give us more details
of the case and of any further developements ?
< DERREL> The lady had a spontaneous abortion and her doctor was the
originator of that statement..
< DERREL> she had a tubal ligation and had no sexual intercourse with anyone ??
< magus> Derrel ... what is your PERSONAL driving force in all this ...what
keeps you going with all the obstructions in your path ??
< DERREL> I want to explore these type of cases too but the evidence must
be there
< DERREL> Obstructions galore...the ufo community sometimes eats their
own...
< DERREL> I have a great compelling desire to find out who dealing the cards
and how to
< DERREL> get in on the game that we are apparently not supposed to know
about.??
< rutkows> Have any astronomers or geophysicists taken a good look at the
meteric material taken from the abductees?
< rutkows> Sorry; meteoritic
< DERREL> Our "alien" keepers dont seem to want to answer any questions
that are testable..
< DERREL> Isotopic tests are 1st and then carbon dating thenn if we have
evidence to go forward
< DERREL> we will bring in the geo. phy. and astron. people next..??
< rutkows> Uhhh. But - no, never mind.
< Malachite> How many races do you _believe_ there are visiting and actively
abducting, and what is your impression of their racial traits (as in, what do they
seem to be like)?
< Malachite> Thanks
< Malachite> Personality-wise
< Malachite> And goals.. :)
< DERREL> I cant prove any races are visting us ...I only have info to suggest
that
< Malachite> Yes, but your personal belief?
< DERREL> something bizzare is happening to people and some physical
evidence is being
< DERREL> reported...I dont know how Id prove any races until one or
others are caught??
< clayface> What is the flourecent liquid that causes the markings on abductees' bodies? What chemical analysis has been done ?
< DERREL> We have a volunteer scientist to do the fluorescent tests for us
and our
< DERREL> biologist is handling this as we speak...??
< kokaine> Derrel, do you have any EVIDENCE that proves that aliens are
here on Earth?
< DERREL> The fluorescents marks seem to be only 3 to 5 % of persons
reporting this???
< jobe> What do you think about all the theorys that ufos are actually
government aircraft too secret for the public to know about for fear that other
counties will copy our technology?
< Tianca> Is this something fairly new to the UFO scene?
< DERREL> Only eye withness that in a court of law could send anyone to the
gas chamber so
< DERREL> are the witnesses good...
< DERREL> Many of the Ufos seen today are of military origin in my view...I
am not saying
< DERREL> that they are ufo necessarily....only unusual craft...??
< jobe> do you in any way think that the ufos could be a cover-up for a larger
plan?
< C^5> DERREL welcome, where are all these implants found in the wrist,
arm, ect.?
< DERREL> i saw some bizzare military craft last week in Cal...
< DERREL> Everywhere from deep inside the skull to the toes, literally,,,if
these are implants??
< pkw> If and I empasis if, I wound up with a proof positive implant ot artifact,
how safe would I be from our own people?
< DERREL> The reason I know it was military was the ground troops that
shhho
< DERREL> showed up soon aaa
< DERREL> afterward...
< DERREL> I am careful of this...If someone thought this was an alien artifact
would it
< magus> derrel .... just say WHEN youve had "enough" ... dont be shy !
< DERREL> be safe?...I dont think so...so we dont tell anyone what it is they
are lookin at..??
< clayface> You said 'Alien Keepers' Done you believe the an alien race
originally seeded humans on earth and have always been in control or that aliens gained control recently ?
< DERREL> 10more Min. and then I ve got to go..got to get ready for
England..
< DERREL> No I am not in agreement with the Alien Seeding project...it may
be that the ;
< DERREL> beings are doing some genetic engineering or whatever but I dont
think they manufactured us...
< DERREL> I think that they are coming from somewhere to visit you...not the
other way around...
< DERREL> ??
< Raine_Cro> derrel what part of england are going to?
< DERREL> Landcasire??
< Raine_Cro> ok thanks derrel :)
< clayface> You are quoted as saying 'The aliens have an agenda they must
follow at all costs and this makes them vulnerable' What do you think is their
vulnerablity ?
< DERREL> I have 3 pressentations there and my wife will do one on
handwriting analysis of agbductees.
< DERREL> Their apparent arrogance that they control us and the events they
orchestrate??
< Raine_Cro> will you be taking your implants to the uk with you?
< DERREL> Because of this(if its true) they will maintain the system
< DERREL> some of them...some are in testing phases...??
< Raine_Cro> ok Derrel thank you very much
< magus> Derrel .... i can't THANK YOU ENOUGH for being our guest
tonight . . .
< magus> I know we have only toughed lightly on the subjects and this is not
the best forum
< magus> for "in-depth" discussion but I think we all agree SOMETHING was
learned by each and
< magus> every one of us. Thanks for YOUR ENLIGHTENMENT that you
bring to our group.
< magus> We would like you to feel free to visit and join with us ANY TIME
... under ANY name :)
< magus> Thanks Again from #UFO .... we opn the channel back up now and
you can send him your regards !
< time_tuna> Thanks Derrel!
< DERREL> Yess you will be able to view them at length...
Session Close: Sun Nov 03 03:45:43 1996